push you out, push you off the team. so you're saying that isn't the case, at least in your relationship with him. >> again, we weren't teammates together on the u.s. postal service, so i can't comment on that. but when i can comment on is how you do things matter, how you play the game matters, you have that winning at all cost mentality, and i think hopefully we're seeing a cultural shift in america that integrity and ethics are coming back to the forefront. >> i'm glad you brought that up. because, again, here you are, you choose -- you take the higher road. you choose not to cheat. you choose not to dope. you saw armstrong go on to win, right, title after title, the seven tour de france bronze olympic medal, all the sponsors, the money. and now, though, you're finally being recognized, right, for competing honorably. >> yeah, and, you know, it is very satisfying, but i think that we see it whether it is in business or academics, i think people are tired of lying and cheating and stealing. nobody got elected to the baseball hall of fame this year.